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I'm a Wiccan and a Goth. And here's my problem.
According to the so-called religious right, I am supposed to be burning in the fires of hell when I die.
But I don't believe in hell. To me, Satan is some boogieman the Christians made up to scare children into being good. So, tell me this: how can I worship something that doesn't exist for me?
I'm not saying I don't believe in evil. I just believe that the causes of evil are much more complex than a demon with a pitchfork.
Why won't these people shut up?
-Ariadne
According to the so-called religious right, I am supposed to be burning in the fires of hell when I die.
But I don't believe in hell. To me, Satan is some boogieman the Christians made up to scare children into being good. So, tell me this: how can I worship something that doesn't exist for me?
I'm not saying I don't believe in evil. I just believe that the causes of evil are much more complex than a demon with a pitchfork.
Why won't these people shut up?
-Ariadne
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Thu, September 28, 2006 - 9:10 PMIgnore the fools and seek a path that you feel is toward what you value as *right* (or good) not what others define it as. Running from evil will never lead to good. -
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Thu, October 19, 2006 - 12:18 PMI to am a Pagan and wish that as a group we would all stop worrying so much about what they have to say about us going to Hell.Like you mentioned you dont belive in hell so laugh about it and go your own way.
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Mon, May 14, 2007 - 3:36 PM{Ignore the fools and seek a path that you feel is toward what you value as *right* (or good) not what others define it as. Running from evil will never lead to good.}
It is important to seek the divine.
If an unforgiving God sent you to Hell.
What would you do ?
How is it that man can stand in judgement ?
Can one serve God and Mammon (being the love for money, or money transformed into power) both ?
These are crucial questions that reveal a contradiction in terms, and a spiritual crisis. -
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Fri, March 20, 2009 - 8:06 AMRunning from what one defines as "evil" is exactly the action that feeds "it's" (evil's) energy. The "Divine" (everything) contains equal amounts "good" and "evil". All in nature contains a balance of polar opposites, down to the smallest speck of matter. This is a Universal constant. Why should our thinking be any different? Without the night, how do we know the day? Night and day rely upon one another to exist. If it was always daytime, we'd have no definition for it because there'd be no opposite to which to compare. We humans make ourselves sick with a manic distraction by insisting on shielding from any negative, at any cost. We deaden ourselve's to our own divinity by the very action of denying our natural, negative aspects, thereby incubating them where they fester and create more secret guilt. To counter this, we desparately attempt to do more and more "good". It backfires because it's about saving one's own ass... thereby creating more secret gult. This is what feeds the beast, our minds, not some evil entity. The god within or higher self waits patiently while we do our mortal dance... just waiting for the clearing in our minds where the demand for only good diminishes and the acceptance of balance.
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Fri, December 8, 2006 - 5:01 PMThey won't ever shut up because they have their whole lives wrapped up in a scam that they themselves are rightly suspicious of but instead of realizing how stupid they sound, they want to vanquish any viewpoint that might make more sense. Thus the concept of Heresy is born.
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Fri, September 7, 2007 - 10:58 AMPeople perceive the world from within the framework of their own beliefs. Imbalanced, intolerant beliefs will filter out many worthwhile things, as when particular Christians cast you as evil and misrepresent your religion as devil worship. It means they will never know you, and will reject even the shiniest truths your Wiccan and Goth ways have to offer. And this is sad.
They speak the same language, but the words do not mean the same things -- as you point out with the example of the word "devil" which means one thing to them, another to you.
Imbalanced, intolerate beliefs are widespread, and people simply don't seem to care to understand each other. And this is very sad indeed.
I am willing to bet that many, many Christians believe, as you do, that "evil is more complete than a demon with a pitchfork." But building on this commonality is impossible given the break down in communication.
Re: "Why", because it validates their world view to cast you as evil. It is easy. It polarizes, and that's a way to have power in a community, to gain influence over others, spreading the world view, the intolerance, the imbalance. Like a cancer.
In a perfect world, you would be asked what you believe, and your answer would be respected. No one would say "no, what you really believe is ..." to you. -
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Sat, September 8, 2007 - 12:09 AMAriadne: Yes, a lot of Christians also believe that Mormons, Jews, and Protestants will all burn in Hell. Why bother caring about such lunacy?
Goth has always been, to me, in itself very much a cultural mockery of Christianity as well as a means of dealing with pain and bonding with similar people. Self-described "Satanists", for example, most of whom (in my experience/understanding) don't even believe in Satan, or in any god for that matter (correct me if you think I'm wrong). (And I've always thought Satan was created by the Christians (& carried over subsequently by Mohammed into Islam because Satan is a good political tool) in order to mock and discredit the pagans. The horns, the tail, the goat legs... all a little too similar to ol' Pan.)
The reason they don't shut up is because religion is a political movement. They've been charged by God to convert anyone they can; the more people they convert, the more God likes you.
Oh yeah, and I, unlike most people, don't actually believe in "evil".
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